Topic: Anthony, would u please tell me if u approve of these ingredients?

Ingredients: Certified organic herbal infusion of calendula officinalis, echinacea angustifolia, wild thyme (thymus serpillum) and certified organic aloe barbadensis, natural grain alcohol, acrylates copolymer, aminomethyl propanol, dimethicone copolyol, wheat protein (triticum vulgare), benzpophenone-4, panthenol (pro- vitamin B5), grapefruit extract (citrus grandis) and botanical fragrance.

This product is a medium hold hair spray made by Alba. I am just now starting to grow out my bangs and in the process my hair just won't hold any style w/o hair spray. I really, really wish that u offered a holding spray! I have used nothing but your products for the past 2 months but need to keep my style and the hair out of my face in the meantime. I would greatly appreiate your input on this particular product.

Also, One question: Is the "wearing a hat every day" causing hair loss, a myth or fact? I need to wear a baseball cap every day at work and am now worried about this rumour.

Thank u so much for your time.

Re: Anthony, would u please tell me if u approve of these ingredients?

i know your question is for Anthony, but thought to mention it in case you're interested.  Aubrey makes a hair spray and a gel (guess B5) which is pure.  basd on what i know, most of the ingredients in the product you mentioned sound good (there is one or two that  i'm not sure) but Aubrey's products are beyond any question.  The gel has a very good hold as well.  sorry if this is not what you were looking for!

Re: Anthony, would u please tell me if u approve of these ingredients?

The ingredients in there are NOT good! That spray is basically no better than your average drugstore brand!

P.S. I would avoid ANY prods by Alba, Jason or Avalon. They are the "Big 3" so-called "organic" companies who are making a fortune off the consumer's failure to know what's really organic & what's not.

Re: Anthony, would u please tell me if u approve of these ingredients?

sorry to butt in here, but Aubrey is the co. that makes the good organic skin care line correct?

I am always forgetting, and getting it mixed up with other "A" names.
I was just wondering about it the other day when i was at the health food store.  But i didn't want to buy it because i wasn't sure,

thanks,
kb.

Re: Anthony, would u please tell me if u approve of these ingredients?

not sure what other As are, but yes, Aubrey's line of skin care is also excellent!

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Agree with hengam, Aubrey is excellent. So is Dr. Hauschka.

*JMS

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Thank you everyone for your input, I really appreciate the advice. I've just ordered my first Aubrey product....a holding spray, and I'm just hoping it's as great as everyone seems to say. Have not heard Anthony's reply yet, quite sure he's very busy, but still interested in his advice when he finds the time.

Thanks again

Re: Anthony, would u please tell me if u approve of these ingredients?

Why in the world does Aubrey use PABA in their prods??? nomicons/shocked I saw it in their hairsprays...

That was the ingredient that used to be found in sunscreens, but was taken out (even by the nasty chemical manufacturers!) for causing skin cancer!!!

...And I did see on Aubrey's site that they use it for sunscreen purposes. I'm pretty sure Anthony won't like that ingredient! He's always saying NOT to use any type of sunscreen on your head...(& certainly not one that's proven to cause cancer!)

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Re: Anthony, would u please tell me if u approve of these ingredients?

Hi Everyone,

thought i'd share a couple of links with you. the company that makes all natural & organic skincare products at their farm in MA is just awesome. i'm using the products myself & i love them. i am only using natural & organic products, from skincare to household. i'm so glad i've found Anthony's products.

about suncreen... is anyone using a sunscreen daily? i used to when i was younger. i'd stay out of the sun & practically see it as an enemy, which i now know it isn't. everything in moderations! however, i never use a suncreen now. not even in the summer. i believe a bit of sunshine is good for us & that clothing, hats & the shade provide enough sunscreen :-) i actually believe that all those chemical laden sunscreen lotions, body lotions, household products & what have you, are contributing to an unhealthy body. the sun, in moderations, do not cause skin cancer (contrary).

so, the link i want to share are...


http://www.wiseways.com (natural & organic skincare)

http://www.sonett.co.uk (natural & organic household cleaning products)

Re: Anthony, would u please tell me if u approve of these ingredients?

Hi, I can ring in on the sunscreen question...I use a sunscreen made by David Wolfe's Sunfood Nutrition, it's called Nature's First Law SPF 30 sunscreen.  Good stuff and is not too greasy.  It can be ordered from www.sunfood.com or maybe his site's old name of www.rawfood.com.  It's product # 0737 and lists for $14.95 for 7 oz. 

-Kal

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Aubrey uses only organic, naturally occuring PABA, an ester-c (i.e., food-derived) water-soluable vitamin B. This food-based PABA is the same as occurs in molasses, whole grains, mushrooms, spinach and more. It is not synthetic or cancer-causing PABA. nomicons/grin


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Re: Anthony, would u please tell me if u approve of these ingredients?

I would not personally add to these comments without doing further independent research on the controversial factors in question. Wikipedia is not a reliable research tool in any way ("HIJACK" I've simply failed papers written by university students if there were references to Wikipedia "END OF HIJACK!")  Sorry, I don't mean this in any offensive way, and hope it doesn't come across as such.  But an independent researcher would look up more serious sources, get her act together and call Aubrey as well, and inquire with an informed mind.  As consumers we all have an absolute right to contact companies and ask for more information and if not satisfied bring whatever proof to their attention. 
Have a good evening all nomicons/smile

Re: Anthony, would u please tell me if u approve of these ingredients?

I already knew the details about the issue in question from prior research of my own (& NO, not just from wikipedia!)...I only quoted them b/c in this instance, they did have the easiest to understand & most comprehensive definition on the items (& might I add, they are correct on these), without having to quote many different sites & piece them together.

And I don't need to call Aubrey b/c there are plenty of other alternatives out there without questionable ingredients - like MM's prods!!! nomicons/tongue

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Dear pilateschick11,

>Actually, the "2" PABAs you mention are one & the same. There isn't a "synthetic" PABA...It is all naturally occurring IF it's just para-aminobenzoic acid.

I'm afraid that the information above is incorrect. There are synthetic PABAs. Antibiotics like penicillin contain one such example. There is also a distinction between naturally occuring, or natural, and organic forms.

>With that said, I saw that Aubrey uses both PABA (in its natural form - still can cause DNA mutations)

This is incorrect. Para-aminobenzoic acid in an organic, i.e., carbon-based, chemical compound form, or in synthetic, i.e., chemically synthesized or manufactured, form, may cause such mutations. PABA derived from foods containing Vitamin B is "natural," i.e., found in nature, and does not. This naturally occurring, food-based water-soluble PABA derived from Vitamin B used by Aubrey has no evidence of causing DNA mutations in the same way that naturally occurring PABA found in mushrooms, spinach, whole grains and other foods pose no such threat.

>AND Padimate O, which is a chemical compound composed of dimethylaminobenzoic >acid and ethylhexanol (an ingredient which can cause all sorts of problems).

The naturally occuring or natural Padimate O derived from Ester-C, also known as PABA Ester, and used by Aubrey Organics is also distinguishable from the organic chemical compound Padimate O, which is derived from condensation of 2-ethylhexanol and 4-dimethylaminobenzoic acid, as well as synthetic Padimate O, which may cause allergies, DNA damage and the sorts of problems that you refer to generally here.

>Long story short, I personally would steer clear of those ingredients.

I agree, should you choose to avoid using PABA, Padimate O, Ester-C, or any other ingredients that you are concerned about, in any of their various forms, it is a sound personal decision. However, I must correct certain information that you have posted so that others can make their own informed decisions.

In my eighteen years of experience as an herbalist, health and holistic practitioner, I have found Aubrey to be a forerunner in quality, healthy, safe organic products, and would refute any claims to the contrary. I have spoken with Aubrey personally, who will attest to the information I have provided here.

Good Health and Happy Wishes nomicons/smile
*JMS

Re: Anthony, would u please tell me if u approve of these ingredients?

I'm sorry, but what you're saying is not correct.

There is no "derived" ingredient that is NATURAL. If anything is derived from something, it is technically synthetic, as is Padimate O. And YES, Padimate O is by definition an ester as you mention from PABA...However, it is formulated by combining the 2 ingredients listed below - known to be harmful.

You don't mention how Aubrey creates it. By all means, if you know of a new Padimate O other than the one universally defined as above, please let us all know. I would love to be enlightened & expand my wealth of knowledge!

And for PABA itself, I meant that the SOURCE of the PABA is food...even for "synthetic" ones, meaning the ingredient is isolated from the food source (same for antibiotics or whatever else). This is what Aubrey has to do if they list that ingredient in their products.

I have seen no research indicating 2 different types of PABA - one being ok & one not. Everytime I've seen PABA mentioned, it flat out says that 1) yes, it is a water-soluble b vitamin & 2) yes, it can cause problems. So if you have research to the contrary, again please enlighten us all.

As far as Aubrey goes, I wouldn't the expect the company who uses the questionable ingredients to be my main source of information. For example, on MANY so-called "organic" sites, I see SLS & many other nasty chemicals being passed off as the most natural thing known to man!!!! I have made my own share of mistakes by trusting a company's information (which turned out to be false!), so I think one has to be skeptical of any company who is trying to sell products & must do her own outside research. Yes, they may be great at most of their products, but I don't see these prods in question containing acceptable ingredients for a truly "organic" company. So if you're going to "correct" any of my information, please give us all links to outside research.

Ciao!
PC11 nomicons/cool

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Re: Anthony, would u please tell me if u approve of these ingredients?

i just don't use suncreen at all, ever. i persoanlly think they only contribute to poisoning our body thus creating negative side effects. i just use clothing, hats & common sense. a little sun is good for you. i don't think seeing it as the enemy is very wise. actually shea butter acts as a natural sunscreen, not a high factor, but it protects our skin, plus is contains a lot of other goodies. i think nature has it all, now we just need to figure it out & how to use it :-) besides in the old days before suncreen was skin cancer then a huge problem?

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You're absolutely right MacKey! Skin cancer rates have actually gone UP in areas where sunscreens are heavily marketed.

It is pretty commonly accepted in the natural health community that NO sunscreen is safe. But regardless of whether Aubrey's prods containing sunscreens are safe or not, Anthony says that u should never use any type of sunscreen on your hair. Period. I'm assuming we all want that or else we wouldn't be here!!! nomicons/wink

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Re: Anthony, would u please tell me if u approve of these ingredients?

The information I have posted is correct and 'a priori', or true by virtue of definition. Natural, organic and synthetic are a priori distinct, and refer to source. The verb "derive" literally means "obtained or received from source." Thus derivation, in accordance with proper usage, is not necessarily synthetic, e.g., Aubrey does not create but obtain ingredients from natural source. For this reason, some of your statements, such as "And for PABA itself, I meant that the SOURCE of the PABA is food" and "isolated from the food source (same for antibiotics or whatever else)" and "And YES, Padimate O is by definition an ester as you mention from PABA...However, it is formulated by combining the 2 ingredients listed below - known to be harmful" fail to make sense, by virtue of a priori.

Additional information and sources may be found in text as well as online. Encyclopedia Britannica, Google search Padimate O, PABA, synthetic PABA, organic versus natural chemistry, etc. are excellent to start. I encourage you, and all, to expand and further knowledge and make decisions accordingly-- this is holistic, and is good food. nomicons/smile

Good Health and Best Wishes,
*JMS

Re: Anthony, would u please tell me if u approve of these ingredients?

well, i would never apply sunscreen to my hair or body for that matter. put on unrefined shea butter, there you go! a natural sunscreen. the sun is vital for all life on earth & treating it as something horribly damaging just doesn't make sense to me. we all know we shouldn't be out baking in the sun at high noon for hours.

Re: Anthony, would u please tell me if u approve of these ingredients?

Thanks, MacKey, for the information on shea butter.  I had never heard that before, but I'm going to get some.  I just came back from Hawaii for two weeks, and I did use an "organic" sunscreen (no PABA) a couple of days, but I didn't really want to use any at all.  It was just when I knew I would be in the sun longer than normal or at the wrong time of the day.  I really like the idea of using shea butter though, because I really don't WANT to use sunscreen.  Thanks again!

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Hi hengam,

Great post, especially re: HIJACK, very funny. Most of my family members are teachers or administrators, both parents, cousins, aunts, uncles, etc. What subject do you teach? Sometimes, I miss the ivy walls nomicons/smile

Wondering if you've tried Aubrey O's Lumessence Eye Creme. I've yet to try it. Curious to hear first hand experience, and none of my clients have requested it yet.

Ex Educere, Scientia, Ex Scientia, Vera!
*JMS

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hi JMS!  No I haven't used its eye cream.  In fact, my plan was to start using an eye cream right when I turned 30 about 2 years ago, but I only remember doing it once in a while --it hasn't become part of my routine yet.  Sometimes, when I remember, I apply castor oil as eye cream and also between my brows and that works well (especially to remove make-up).
Recently, I've become so obsessed with hair that pay little attention to other beauty components (and even hair obsession should have a limit and I'm working on distracting myself from that...).
And, thanks for asking: I'm a legal academic.
Have a good night nomicons/smile
-h

Re: Anthony, would u please tell me if u approve of these ingredients?

JMS - I was not asking you HOW I should go about researching topics....I know how to do that.

However, what I was asking for was hard evidence of your claims - that there are 2 kinds of PABA (one bad & one good) AND 2 kinds of Padimate O (one bad & one good). {Obviously, the "good" ones being what Aubrey claims to use.} If you're going to make claims that are different from tons of research that's been done, you should back it up with a QUOTE/PASSAGE and a SOURCE so we can all research your findings for ourselves. As I stated, nowhere in my research have I found what you stated to be correct.

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Re: Anthony, would u please tell me if u approve of these ingredients?

Dear pilateschick,

>"that there are 2 kinds of PABA (one bad & one good) AND 2 kinds of Padimate O
>(one bad & one good). {Obviously, the "good" ones being what Aubrey claims to
>use.}"

Please re-read my posts, because that is not what I wrote.

>If you're going to make claims that are different from tons of research that's been
>done, you should back it up with a QUOTE/PASSAGE and a SOURCE so we can all
>research your findings for ourselves. As I stated, nowhere in my research have I
>found what you stated to be correct.

I don't believe in "should." "Should" is a control word. There are polite ways of asking, rather than expecting. I've provided a basic appendix of online references, because it is good to share information. I'll add that, in posting the links below, I am not endorsing any opinions found on the pages. It's simply a good start. I encourage you to go further. Aubrey Hampton, founder of Aubrey, is a phyto-chemist and herbalist. He is also the founder of Campaign for Safe Cosmetics. You might research him, as well.

I will say that I was stunned to discover your recent post re: birth control pills, in lieu of your posts to this topic.

*JMS

http://www.britannica.com/?source=mwtab
http://www.m-w.com/

http://www.answers.com/topic/organic-compound

http://www.nutriteam.com/natural.htm
http://www.healthyeatingclub.com/bookstore/foodqa/ch5/5-17.htm

http://www.theamericanvoice.com/vitafr.html
http://home.comcast.net/~john.kimball1/BiologyPages/A/Antibiotics.html

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=synthetic+paba&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=synthetic+PABA+penicillin&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

http://www.environmentalhealth.ca/spring03sun.html